As female bar owners, have you encountered sexism?
Verity: “In the beginning, I was here a lot by myself, so I guess that drew a few more of the local male clientele, but ultimately we’ve had such a hard and fast rule about anti-social behaviour – specifically about sexist behaviour and that kind of thing – that it’s been a no-deal from the get-go, and especially the type of clientele we do get, they do get that. And the amount of women that we have here, and the amount of people that are strong females, it’s been part and parcel of being a no tolerance issue.”
“Obviously with live music and that kind of stuff, it’s upsetting to think that there’s still that kind of gropey, male behaviour. It's really sad to think that the people that are doing that haven’t learnt boundaries, and that may not be something that people want that to happen to them. There are a few levels where ultimately we’ve been pretty strict on what we accept in here, and I think that’s been really good, and I think that’s what’s made it feel such a safe space.”
In the wider sense, what have been the biggest challenges you’ve faced?
Verity: “COVID has been really hard for everyone – not just the hospitality industry. It’s hard for anyone who has to stay home and who is dealing with mental health issues. Everyone knows that it’s a pretty tough time. For us it’s been a case of keeping our head above water because we don’t know when our next big show or big night is going to happen. We’re in Clapton which isn’t necessarily the place where there’s foot traffic so it hasn’t been easy, but we know things will change soon.”
What advice would you give to young women who may be thinking of opening a bar or a venue?
Verity: “One of the biggest things is knowing your biggest strengths and knowing your weaknesses. As siblings, we’re really close and I know what I’m good at and what Sharmaine is good at. She’s got skills that I don’t have and vice-versa. That’s important.”
Sharmaine: “My advice is don’t take on too much at first; don’t bite off more than you can chew. Just keep going and you’ll get there."
Verity: “The bit of advice I’d give anyone is that I think it’s really about mucking in. I’ve tried to work out what elements there are that no-one else is going to do for me, so I can pick up the pieces and have the knowledge and skills to do them. When I was in a band, for instance, I studied audio engineering because I thought I would be the one to record us. I’d go into our rehearsal space with my home recording kit, record the band and mix it. It was just a chapter in terms of getting me to this point, but it’s meant that when bands turn up here and they say, ‘Where’s your audio engineer?’ I can say, ‘You’re looking at her.’ That takes time, but I’m thankful to have done that. When I walked into this space it meant that I had a few things up my sleeve that I could use.”
Sharmaine: “We did have to learn a lot of new skills – from the building work through to booking bands. That did take time but it has all been valuable.”
Verity: “There isn’t a book which you can open and where all the answers are inside, so you have to do everything and learn from your mistakes, even when it comes to things like licensing.”
Sharmaine: “Also money wasn’t something we had in abundance when we started, so we had to do it ourselves.”
Verity: “We’re still doing everything ourselves! The pot of gold at the end of the rainbow hasn’t materialised yet! Everything we earn goes back into the bar, and that’s what keeps us developing the space.”
Sharmaine: “Even during COVID we’ve been able to add things to the place. During the first lockdown we took out a wall that allowed us to have more space in the bar, and we did other things during the second lockdown. We put a kitchen out the back and it’s been good to have the time to do that.”